Yes . In fact, this is the only critics I can do against salvia. It has made swim much more sensible to noise in general. In winter he was used to work in his kitchen, and he was not even aware that his fridge was so much intermittently noisy. Now, even in the living room he can hear it, and he has to do some effort to keep calm!unsigned_char72 wrote:ehe! True! Salvia is also a great dog-bark attractor (even if there aren't dogs around).salvialover24 wrote:It is a side effect of salvia. You smoke it, and your neighbors from above will decide to clean the ceiling, or to put the TV louder than usual, or shout in the phone on some deaf interlocutor.
He has also discovered how variate can be the sounds made by pigeons.
He doesn't hesitate to use earplugs. It is not perfect, but sometimes it makes the experience possible.
Here I might disagree, or not understand, because swim believed that logic is the most deconditioning tool ever. I will not insist on this though.unsigned_char72 wrote: As regards the "understanding via intellect" thing, that's very right, you need first to widen your views and be open to all the possibilities. Reasoning is very much involved in this step. But as for this, I think I am far beyond that as of now. I'm quite out of the conditioning of society and religions (I suppose).
Religion is also ultra-decontioning, when they are authentic. But it is in the nature of theology to be quickly perverted into a manipulation (and thus purposefully conditioning) tool. Budhist were aware of this when saying that you have to kill all the buddhas.
Very interesting.unsigned_char72 wrote: About the "advaita" story, it's interesting how SWIM approached it. It was just because of Salvia. At the time, years ago, SWIM had a different view of spirituality. He expected it to be magical, otherworldly and "spiritual". So SWIM was attracted to the shamanic side of Salvia (at least for what was being told), so he finally made acquaintance with the plant. Know what? Salvia showed a totally different story! No shaman's things, no visions of spirits or dead ones, but mind-boggling stuff like "all is thought", "nothing is real" and so on.
Swim's path is complex, and it is always delicate to talk on oneself. Swim was crazy about amoebas, passing all his childhood time to observe them, and protozoans, and bacteria, asking himself if they live just one day, or if they were immortal, given that they split in two every 24h. Then he discovered Gödel's theorem in a little book (Nagel & Newman), and decide to study math, instead of biology. The proof of Gödel gives him a hint that amoeba were immortal, that we are immortal, and eventually that the whole physical reality is an illusion. He made this clear mathematically, but did not expect that some mathematicians would react so badly to this, under his back. He made a depression during which he read Alan Watts, Ramana Maharshi (indeed), study the logic of different buddhist schools, meditate a lot, and using entheogen a lot.unsigned_char72 wrote: SWIM at first was confused and disappointed because it was not was he expected. "Bizarre thinking" he used to call that. For a time SWIM put Salvia aside as useless for its spiritual advancement. But at a certain point, thanks to the Internet, he decided to search if there was a school of thought that told things similar to what Salvia has shown to SWIM. After lot of goggling and reading, SWIM found the famous advaita teachers (Nisargadatta, Ramana and so on), and damn, they were telling the same things, the same "bizarre thinking" but put into a teaching system and (very important) experienced by people who never used Salvia! Since then, spiritual seeking has a new meaning for SWIM. It means knowing he's identified with the body-mind machine, so that he can see that SWIM actually is the one looking at the body-mind, not body-mind itself.
He will discover salvia when quitting smoking tobacco to take it orally thanks to a delicious African tobacco, and searching on the net an oral product equivalent for *edit*.
He will find salvia divinorum, and will read all the Erowid reports, and forums (notably edot). He got the feeling that salvia teaching was close to what he felt when identifying himself to self-splitting amoebas and deriving the logic from this. Then he will made his first experiences, and very quickly will be fond of it, and will appreciate it on many levels---mental health, physical health, and the incredible unbelievable surprises.
Salvia is mainly astonishing because it confirms strongly what he can already derived from logic and self-duplication (and mechanism), concerning the nature of after-life, except that mechanism made dubious the possibility of having such experience, and being able to come back from there. This rise doubts, even on mechanism, but he is very happy with this, because he loves to doubt everything
Of course, salvia was not an equivalent oral product for *edit*. It was *much* more, like a godsend gift, making him experiencing what he knew to be a consequence of mechanism (basically the falsity of materialism), except for that magical come back, which remains quite mysterious.
In a sense, swim, which is no more really swim, lives "there", and consider his life as an amazing entheogen experience that he does "there".
Of course, as an "adept" of Ramana Maharshi, (and self-duplicating amoebas), he knew that the koan "Who am I" can run very deep.
He takes for him that proposition by de Chardin according to which we are not humans having divine experiences from times to times, but divine beings having human experiences from times to times. This has concretely made his current life, notably, definitely more cool, to say just that
Swim is powerless on how to express his gratitude to whatever made possible the encounter with salvia. Even as an hallucination, he would never have believed that something like that could be lived or be possible, and this despite his many experiences with sleep and many other entheogen. Salvia looks to him as the real deal, whatever that might mean.