Stephen L. Peele wrote:I have been studying and living out in the middle of 57,000 acres for the last15 years with Amanita muscaria. I have been picking and studying them since 1957. I got one better. Why don't you deposit the culture with CBS (CBS, Centraalbureau voor Schimmelcultures, Attention Dr G. Verkley, Fungus, PO Box 85167, 3508 AD Utrecht, The Netherlands. Or, with the ATCC, the USA's National Culture Bank. Send them a slant or dish of the culture. Identify it as Amanita muscaria. Also tell them that you hold the live culture on "Grape Juice". That should learn them a thing or two. When they check on the species, they will be able to ID from DNA Banks they hold just from the mycelium. You will get a letter back saying what it was and how they deposited it. And, send sample to an analytical testing lab, check in you phone book for a local one. When you receive the letters back stating that your Amanita muscaria culture has been accepted, I'd like to see that. And, when you get the analytical data back stating positive for Ibotenic Acid, and Muscimol, I would like to see this. All on the Company's Letterhead of course. You make many bold statements, but show no documentive scientific proof. This goes against everything I have learned. And, as Ibotenic Acid is worth close to $70,000.00 a gram (Ibotenic Acid #I2765,1 mg, isolated from Amanita sp., $73.45, Sigma Chemical Company, 1-800-325-8070)...there are 1,000 mg's in 1 gram (1996 price).....seems to me the price would come down....grin. I would suggest to others not to drink this until you know exactly what it is. Lord knows what mind bending compounds, or possible slow acting toxins may be produced in the culture you hold, what ever the species is. I stand by my posts. And, until you show the proof I have respectfully asked for, I will stay firm that this "Living Culture", a possible Mucor that produces it’s own black spores showing it is a lower class fungi, is not Amanita muscaria culture that would not produce any spores, at
least not until it forms a mushroom. Then, the spores would be white.
I and others will expand on this further in the next TEO Issue. slp/fmrc
I make bold statements as well as you do, Stephen. Once I get some money together, I would like to send it off to have it identified. I think it would be beneficial for the both of us.
However, I believe you should do the same. You yourself have not provided scientific proof or evidence either... only theory. You are basing your assumptions upon how you and mycologists "believe" amanitas "should" grow, or how black mucor "usually" presents itself. In my opinion, you have provided as much proof to back your statement as I have. Have you even tried taking amanita mycellium and dropping it onto grape juice, or barley? Since you call yourself an expert, I don't think you'll have trouble producing amanita mycelium, or providing a clean room for it to grow in grape juice without the possibility of other spores contaminating it. Once you have done so, PLEASE, let me know what conclusions you come to. And since you probably have easier access to the CBS or ATCC, go ahead and send it off. If you still haven't even tried something as simple as this yourself, then I'm a little curious as to why. Stephen, I'm trying to spread the word of our ancient Sacrament which has been supressed for the last 2,000 years. I am not so much concerned with proving that this is a method of reproducing amanitas and muscimol. However, you are the one trying to prove me wrong. So prove
me wrong, Stephen.
All in all, you and other mycologists who are challenging Don Teeter's work, have completely missed the point. Don Teeter has done all the necessary research to prove that Amanitas were the sacrament which the ancients used to make their Ambrosia and Sacramental Bread. Whether the end product is amanita muscaria and muscimol is not nearly important as the fact that Mr. Teeter has reproduced the methods used by our ancestors. If I am drinking black mucor, it's the best damn glass of mucor I've ever had