Stipa Robusta (Sleepy grass)

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Post by Teal_ » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:06 am

I received sleepy grass seeds recently from National Plant Germplasm System and deciding to do some reading on it. I found a few articles, one of which is quite interesting.

In a nutshell, the grass itself contains no actives, but most of it (43 out of 50) and in some cases 100% is infected (lives in a symbiotic relationship to be more accurate) with an Acremonium endophyte that contains LSA and related compounds. From the article, it seems that the fungus is carried over into the seeds, so each plant continues to have the fungus in most of it's tissues.

If one were to grow a strain of sleepy grass that is indeed infected with fungus (and chances are it will be), then it's possible to get copious amounts of it (in another abstract, someone found 20ug of LSA per gram of dried material), free of any nausea causing compounds.
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Post by Teal_ » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:10 am

And here's the rest of the article + another one.
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Post by DrBarton » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:02 am

Thanks for posting these. It seems to be the case that the LSA / LSD compounds isolated from most plants actually come from the fungus growing on them (including, apparently, morning glories). Perhaps pursuit of these entheogens would be better accomplished by cultivating the fungus straight in, say, a rye-seed medium in the same way that many mushrooms are cultivated. It would seem likely to produce a more certain and more concentrated source, especially if outdoor growing is not practical. Obviously, concentration would be a big safety factor and I'd stay away from ergot unless one has an excellent separation technique to remove the ergotamine (which, I believe, is the main ingredient causing ergotism).

Does anyone know of any work in this area?

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Post by dreamybunz » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:04 pm

I've been interested in Stipa robusta for some time now, having first seen it mentioned in De Korne's Psychedelic Shamanism (not a recommendation), but it seems to have zero history of human usage, in fact I have never been able to find a single solitary bio-assay report. The potential for ergotine poisoning from grasses worries me, but the information above is somewhat reassuring. I had even identified a source for the grass at one point, but I chickened out!

I still think that I'll let someone else report on a bio-assay before I attempt it myself. I can do that legally where I live. Thanks for the info, Teal_! :)

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Post by Siekoaktiv » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:39 pm

I too have been really interested in this plant... if any more info on this is discovered, please, do post.

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Post by Teal_ » Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:49 am

I'll take a look. I found an article on how easy it is to propagate (don't have it on me atm). Basically just plant in regular soil and it should have good germ rates.

What I would like done is for someone with expertise to determine the level of alkaloids in the seeds of the grass. If this is similar to what seems to be the case with MG, then it should have significant levels of alkaloids in them (I'm a bit queasy of doing a bio-assay at the moment).
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Post by jacky » Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:11 am

I know a certian explorer that had some vasoconstriction problems when consuming sleepy grass seeds.
the psychoactive effects were minimal, and in the morning upon waking, the person felt very cold, and noticed that their lips were blue...

they consumed 11-15 seeds, picked free of the hulls etc.

it is an interesting plant material to be sure, but is it really a viable entheogen?

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Post by Clemmys » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:48 am

I have a bunch of seeds from a reliable source but they are several years old. Maybe I'l plant them this spring and see if they still germinate... Could be a viable precursor for an entheogen, but likely not that great as are all of the other LSA containing plants and fungi. I have had horrible vasoconstriction, particularly with the femoral arteries, with HBWR and MG. Rivea might be the only exception but they are expensive and do not grow well here.

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Post by Teal_ » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:13 pm

Has anyone ever tried using a vasodilator like nitroglycerin along with the medicine?

Also, sleepygrass doesn't contain nausea causing compounds like mg and hbwr seeds. It also may be easier to grow and thus yield a much larger supply of ergolines than current sources.
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Post by TheNomad » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:59 pm

blue lips does seems like a cautionary symptom. I would really be careful unless one has the technical knowledge to clean up the material?

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