Extracting Cathinone from Khat

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Re: Extracting Cathinone from Khat -

Postby DayLight » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:13 pm

420_4life wrote:you dont know what your talking about LMAO

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naw man after washing with ethanol and xylene, khat actives turn into a large dickwad, which you must then transform back into an alkaloid.

if you want the pure dickwad check out invoicedarkstars "merchandise" thread in the vendors forum

lol
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Postby zubsza » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:26 pm

Rofl
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Re: Extracting Cathinone from Khat -

Postby Peyote Porn » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:24 am

DayLight wrote:
if you want the pure dickwad check out invoicedarkstars "merchandise" thread in the vendors forum


I tend to skip posts from vendor spammers ... Guess he's on my 'Ignore' list now ...
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Re: Extracting Cathinone from Khat -

Postby Harry » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:42 am

Just a thought but ascorbic acid is supposed to counter the oxidisation of pscilocybin and pscilocin during extractions or making tea from shrooms where legal, I wonder if the antioxidant nature of vitamin C would also protect cathinone during an extract?
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Re: Extracting Cathinone from Khat -

Postby Iskander » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:53 am

I can't get what you folks are talking about... Cathinone cannot "oxidise" to cathine. It is a ketone (beta-ketoamphetamine) and cathine is an alcohol (beta-hydroxyamphetamine). It is cathine which can be oxidised to cathinone, and the reverse is reduction. It's yet unknown what happens to cathinone. I suppose that it's either enzymatically reduced to cathine (upon damage to plant tissue) or that it is by itself active enough oxidiser to get reduced by whatever reductant accessible. Maybe it by itself disproportionates into cathine and some other compound.
In either way air is of no concern IMHO. Still it would be interesting to isolate (given the legality of the aforenamed substances) pure cathinone in salt form, store it for one year and see if there's been any loss of potency. Also, if the sum of alkaloids has been extracted from the plant, cathine must be easily converted to cathinone via the same route as ephedrine to methcathinone, by permanganate in acidic solution. It's unlikely that salt of cathinone is receptive to further oxidisation.
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Re: Extracting Cathinone from Khat -

Postby Peyote Porn » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:17 pm

Iskander wrote:It is cathine which can be oxidised to cathinone, and the reverse is reduction. It's yet unknown what happens to cathinone.


Hmmmm ...
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Re: Extracting Cathinone from Khat -

Postby TheNomad » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:53 pm

I'm glad someone here knows chemistry!

My assumption, was that an ethanol khat extract might work, because the ethanol keeps the o2 away ?

On a side note - I've heard it's best to swallow the juices from chewing the leaf ;)

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Re: Extracting Cathinone from Khat

Postby jkadousnd » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:03 pm

Say Methcathinone is a 3rd rate drug and doesn't have any value? I say methylmethcathinone puts any and all street stimulates in their place as inferior and will go down as a stimulant above the rest.
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