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Post by Beelzebozo » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:38 pm

One of the big questions that has been bothering me is. . . why? Why did we ever give up our freedom to the fear-mongers and tyrants in the first place? What possessed us to make the leap from hunter-gatherers to "civilization"? I can't help but wonder what possessed us to go down the fucked up path we're on.
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Post by Moonbreeze » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:07 pm

Dioxippus wrote:I agree with you 100%. We're destroying this planet for our own selfish gain. I view nature as something sacred, and it's stomped on repeatedly by people who only care about wealth and so-called "progress". I get pretty riled up myself when I watch documentaries like that, so I think I'll pass. I've seen one too many documentaries/shows/news stories about how our beautiful wild life and landscapes are being trashed by power hungry monsters. I do what little I can by donating what little I can to this organization:
http://www.natureconservancy.ca/site...ename=ncc_main
Yes me too. I usually do try and avoid watching those kidns of programmes because it is too painful to experience. I feel this sense of utter panic rise in me, and intense hatered--lots of mixed emotions--incredible sense of loss and sadness, and not knowing what to do what to do.....!
But it is SO unusual that Panorama would do a programme about the natural world is why I watched it
I'll say it again, that transhumanist crap scares the hell out of me. I'm not against evolution, I'm against the ideas some of those people have about our future. We have to respect this planet and our bodies, the way we were meant to exist. Augmenting it with machinery and technology is inevitable, people have already started doing that. But when we start treading in the realms of the human soul and spirit is when I get afraid. Cheating death... :|
it very much scares the hell out of me too. I have been researching it for blogs I have done, and it is very shocking.

the dream of trans-human-ism IS the dream they will conquer death. This is insane. because theres no such thing as an abstract called 'life' and one called 'death'---that is just their dumb-arsed thinking. What life and fdeath is is a living continuum--a process. You might as well say your gonna conquer 'down', but how could you HAVE an up without down, and how would you KNOW what is down without up, and vice versa?

they look at the human body--like they do everything as like a computer, and seek to upgrade it and want the patent on that.

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Post by Moonbreeze » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:27 pm

Beelzebozo wrote:One of the big questions that has been bothering me is. . . why? Why did we ever give up our freedom to the fear-mongers and tyrants in the first place? What possessed us to make the leap from hunter-gatherers to "civilization"? I can't help but wonder what possessed us to go down the fucked up path we're on.
Propaganda and coercion I reckon --just like it is now. Also you find yourself born into a senario dont you? And likes been said take school---may people assume that it is a given, and natural and have no clue about how it started, and why, etc---The 'educators' make damn sure the real history of their own institution isnlt learned about.
So first people are subjugated, and then the propaganda happens in the form of religious dogma---you will go to heaven if you believe us and do like we say and hell if you choose something else--the very term heresy means 'to choose'! That would be a belief different from the Christian dogma

NOW it is the secular dogma of materialism--and to deny this is 'mental illness'. Thats the controlling myth of these times. If you cant 'cope' your mentally ill. What this myth does is take away the attention from the very civilization itself. Like school the authoritarians dont want us to look at it so we get blamed for being defective---because as said, we are made to be like computer, and if we go 'wrong' we need tweaking and upgrading.

Even a brief look at the history of western ideas, you see how this propaganda works, eg Descartes (18th c) claiming animals are machines, and in the psychological field there was Wilhelm Lundt (19th century) who claims that we are just machines which have chemical and electrical interactions and can be trained like animals, and then follows Pavlov and his 'trained' dogs and children etc etc and so on. All this becomes the modern myth takin over from the heaven and hell one
The 'new myth' would greatly benefit the industrial enterprise! We are just cogs in the State machine.

SO it is seeing through these myths thats important

I have recently read that some(?) hunter gather cultures didn't travel as much as thought and there's evidence of long settlements, so maybe it was a more fuzzy transitiion to agriculture---but once animals become being domesticated and made slaves and the predatory mindsets seeing the money to be made exploiting the lives and energies of animals, human slaves are quick to follow. WE become the human livestock
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Post by Moonbreeze » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:13 pm

Have you seen this chart before?

The Evolution of Dualism

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Now notice how the positions of 'spirit' and 'matter' dramatically change places with the coming of scientific materialism! All of a sudden 'spirit' is denigrated. Eventually as you must know 'it' becomes superfluous, and totally dimissed by mechanistic science. So what is happening here--I want to explore it

As I see it even before the change of positions 'spirit' was already said to be divided from 'matter'. hence if we focus on Christianity, 'spirit' was really preached to be a transcendent 'God' and not immanent in nature. And this dogma is one of the big reasons that 'witches' and pagans and heretics etc were so persecuted---for their 'sin' of understanding spirit to be immanent in the natural world. That idea was anthema to the Church who forced the doga that EITHER you were with the 'spirit' and thus 'God/Jesus' and therefore Heaven bound, OR with the 'Flesh' and thus 'the 'Devil' and Hellward bound for everlasting punishment
Meanwhile the existence for many 'peasants' was very hard---they were serfs, and oppressed, and had the fear of hellfire if they didn't bow to their landlords, and the Church Plus as pagans--as said--they would become-especially women--persecuted, tortured, and executed.
So the main point here is that 'spirit' is made abstract and is connected with a transcendent God above, and 'matter' is corrupt and the domain of the 'Prince of Darkness'

Then when the paradigms 'change' and scientific materialism takes hold as the central authority of social control so-called 'spirit' is put in the a denigrated category, and matter in their 'good' category. Now the controller are the 'masters of matter'--They tell us they know how to measure matter, and that there is ONLY matter.
So note that again spirit is separated from matter!
So then what do I mean by 'spirit'? How can we get to understand this question.

If we say someone has spirit what is meant by that? A sense of aliveness--a twinkle in the eye? A wildness.
I recently read this great critique about this series one of our comedians Martin Clunes presented. it really layed into him, becase Clunes in his sentimental approach was unaware that in order for horses to be doing what they do their spirit was broken. They had become slaves. And when I read that it made me think about how that applies to nature and ourselves.

'Education' is designed to kill the child's spirit. Her naturally inquisitive mind, his sense of play---all natural

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Post by Moonbreeze » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:23 pm

I want to recommend you read this woman. I found out about her from here What is Ecofeminism Anyway? and reading this:

" The essay below was originally written in the early 1990s, a time when ecofeminism was gaining currency with activists and academics. The views expressed here still present an accurate overview of ecofeminism, yet in retrospect we feel the essay has a shortcoming.



It assumes patriarchy is the root cause of all our problems. While the patriarchal mindset is certainly accountable for much of humankind's dysfunctionality, patriarchy is only 5,000 years old.



Emerging theories from thinkers like Chellis Glendinning contend that our dislocation from nature (and hence from ourselves) goes back at least 20,000 years ago when humans moved from the gatherer/hunter stage to that of domesticating plants and animals. As such, we have come to believe that anthropocentrism and speciesism—the impulse to conquer and control nature—are conceivably a more accurate source of today’s problems than is patriarchy per se.

Furthermore, patriarchy is not solely a Western phenomena. We focus on Western patriarchy, however, because its unparalleled and unrivaled hegemony adversely impacts even the world’s most remote inhabitants and ecosystems."

So I searched for Chellis Glendinning And have been reading her essays which are VERY important to read for the subject of this thread!! Check it out

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Post by sushilydv » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:55 pm

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Food, Clothing & Shelter......these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans....... Industrial consumer goods must be eliminated immediately.

Industrial Society is doing research on sustainability after destroying 75 - 90% of Biodiversity and Ecosystems. Nature has already done millions of years of research on sustainability.......Nature has already given us millions of years of proof of sustainability. Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years because their activity was limited to searching for food. Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years because their activity was limited to searching for food. Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society]because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.



For the last 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for Environment......Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial Society or Socialist Industrial Society?

This is like debating what is good for people.....Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.

Poison kills people.....it does'nt matter who made it ......Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

Industrial Activity kills ecosystems.....It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

All Industrial Activity destroys environment......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network and Shipping Lanes…..they all destroy environment….. It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Forests, Wild Animals and Fish Population......Population of Lions, Tigers and Elephants is down to 2 - 5% of what it was 100 years ago......Population of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years ago.....Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste.....It has killed Trillions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with Cement And Concrete.

Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years[compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Society has destroyed almost all Ecosystems in just 250 years......because it is destroying environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter......And even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.



There is only one cause of environmental destruction......Industrialization.

Overpopulation and Overconsumerism are only consequences/ by-products of Industrialization.

Overconsumerism is quite obviously a consequence of Industrialization..... Industrial consumer goods and services would not exist without Industrial Activity.

Overpopulation is also a by-product of Industrialization. The entire world was overbreeding until the middle years of 20th century.....even Western Countries had 5 - 12 children per family[and even more].....and yet population of the world remained low before industrialization because of high death rate, lower life span and shortage of food and water. It was only 1 billion in 1800 AD. India and China have large populations today because they started with larger populations thousands of years ago, since ancient civilizations thrived in these regions. What was the population of Europe/ America/ West 2000 years ago????......Was it comparable to eastern population of India and China????

Industrialization is the cause of overpopulation and overconsumerism.

Moreover, Environment has been destroyed by Industrialization/ Consumerism…….Not by Population/ Overpopulation.

Total World Population has not increased ……It has decreased……In fact total world population has been decimated.

When we talk of population we should take into account population of all animal species, not just human population.

Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species……Increase in human population has coincided with decrease/ decimation of millions of animal species. The total burden of population on this planet has not increased…..It has decreased.

Industrial Society has decimated millions of other species.....but there was a time when the combined population of other animal species was much greater than present human population.....and we don't even need to include smaller animals in this count.....the combined population of big animals alone whose size and weight was equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than current human population of 7 billion.

The amount of food this animal population was eating was much greater than the food consumed by humans today.......Yet millions of animal species did not destroy environment and lived sustainably on earth for millions of years......because they destroyed environment only for food and not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

If animals had started a consumerist "Industrial Society" millions of years ago they would have destroyed all ecosystems millions of years ago.

The entire world has been trying to control human population for 50 years and these efforts should / will continue in future.....so where is the problem with population?????

What is the cause of human overpopulation??????......It is Industrialization......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion today ........In the absence of Industrialization world population would only be a small fraction of 7 billion today.

It is not population that destroys environment......It is lifestyle.......The combined population of millions of animal species was much greater than present human population.......and yet they did not destroy environment for millions of years because they destroyed environment only for Food.......not for Thousands of Consumer Goods.

The cause of Environmental Destruction is Industrialization / Consumerism.........Not population / overpopulation.

A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would not destroy environment [And a Hunter_Gatherer Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]

An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would cause much lesser environmental destruction than an Industrial Society of 7 billion [And an Agrarian Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]

Industrialization is the cause of Human Overpopulation and Overconsumerism

It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to complain about overpopulation when it itself is the cause of overpopulation......It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to make attempts to control population while promoting Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP exponentially.

Height of Insanity!

Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter.


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Post by nepalnt21 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:44 pm

say i just posted about this

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Post by verybestsalvia » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:44 am

When you are gaining then on other side you are losing something with this industrial development we are destroying nature.

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Post by sushilydv » Sat May 05, 2012 11:47 pm

Industrial Society is a lunatic society that is trying to save environment not by stopping Industrial Activity but by changing the technology.

Bring this technology, Bring that technology..........Bring this technology, Bring that technology.

A man is shooting someone with a gun........Some people are trying to save the victim.......They plead with the man asking him to save the victim by stopping the shooting.

The man says.....Don't worry......I will save him by changing technology......He replaces the old gun with a new one ........And continues to shoot.

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Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity........Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like ......

Trying to save a victim of shooting by shooting him even more.

Trying to save a victim of stabbing by stabbing him even more.

Trying to save a victim of poisoning by giving him even more poison.

Height of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality.......You cannot save environment by destroying more of it.

Industrial Society has been destroying Extra environment for 250 years........It has been destroying environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

You cannot save a person after killing him.......You cannot save environment after it has been killed by Industrial Activity.

The entire Industrial Society deserves the Nobel Prize for Lunacy for pretending that environment is getting saved when the reality is that Industrial Society has been destroying extra environment after industrialization and has destroyed so much extra environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.

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Discussion cannot save environment........Money cannot save environment......Technology cannot save environment......Environmental Organizations cannot save environment.......Activism cannot save environment.

Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.

Animal species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment with money ........They had no money.

Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with modern technology........They had no modern technology......It was absence of modern technology that saved environment in pre-industrial societies........Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only because of Industrial Machines.

Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with the help of Environmental Organizations or Activism........They had no environmental organizations.

Animal Species did not destroy environment for millions of years.......Hunter Gatherer Society destroyed very little environment during a million years of existence......Agrarian Society destroyed very little environment [compared to Industrial Society] over a period of 10,000 years.

There is only one way to save environment.......Destroy less......Minimize the list of things that are destroying environment.

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Promoters of Growth rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest terrorists on earth.......Millions of times bigger terrorists than Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Our society has placed a bounty of millions of dollars on the heads of Taliban and Al Qaeda

No bounty on the heads of people who promoted Industrialization, Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP that has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth???

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that produced Trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste that has contaminated and poisoned the entire planet......It was Industrial Society.

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated millions of animal and plant species......It was Industrial Society.

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed billions of acres of fertile soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......It was Industrial Society.

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated fish in the oceans......It was Industrial Fishing.

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed millions of people in wars.......It was Military Industrial Complex.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

For millions of years before industrialization the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.......Animals destroyed environment for food......Hunter_Gatherer Society destroyed environment for food......Agrarian Society destroyed environment for food, clothing and shelter.

Development is Destruction........Development is Destruction.

"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "Crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate & GDP are the biggest Killers, Murderers & Terrorists on earth.

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Environment has been destroyed by Cities.......Environment has been destroyed by Urban Dwellers.........City People are doing extra work which has led to exponential "extra destruction of environment".......... Urban Dwellers are the destroyers of Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

For millions of years "searching for food" / “producing food” were the primary activities of animal species, hunter_gatherer society and agrarian society.........and that is why they sustained for millions of years because they destroyed very little environment compared to Industrial Society.......For millions of years the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.

In Industrial Society 50% of world population is growing food for 100% of population and the remaining 50% living in cities is primarily engaged in production and marketing of "thousands of consumer goods and services".

It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population exists in this world.

It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is promoting Industrial Activity.

Industrial Activity is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

Most of the people who do not produce food are engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

Most of the urban population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

In America 90 - 95% of population is urban......In Europe 80 – 90% of population is urban......this is why consumerism is so rampant in US and West.

World wide the percentage of urban population is about 50%.......If the entire world is made communist or socialist it is not going to stop/ reduce consumerism as long as the percentage of urban population remains the same.

As long as Urban Population exists all Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand........ Energy Generation Industry, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Oil Drilling Industry, Oil Refining Industry, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Network, Millions of kilometers of Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.....all these Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand.

This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.

This planet cannot sustain Urban population.

Environment has been destroyed primarily by Urban Population......Environment has been destroyed primarily by population that does not produce food.

This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food.

One profession means destruction of environment for one thing.......Thousands of professions means destruction of environment for thousands of things.

Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years......because it has destroyed environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter".

The list of unnecessary and destructive work in Industrial Society includes......Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of "Consumer Goods" and Services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary Research .....and lots of other work.

Out of the population that does not produce Food, the maximum number of people - a few billion people are engaged in Production and Marketing of "Consumer Goods" and Services. Industrial Activity for production of "consumer goods" and services is the biggest destroyer of environment.

Millions of people are working in Sports Industry......Environment is destroyed to manufacture millions of tonnes of Sports Equipment......Millions of Trees have been cut down and billions of acres of fertile soil has been killed with Cement & Concrete to build millions of Stadiums.

Millions of people are working in Tourism Industry......Tourism is all about Travelling which promotes Transportation Industry that destroys Environment......Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail network cutting through Forests destroying Trees and Wildlife.....Millions of kilometers of Shipping Lanes torturing and killing Fish.....Millions of kilometers of Air Routes killing the Air with millions of tonnes of exhaust gases.

Millions of people are working in Entertainment Industry........Environment has been destroyed to construct millions of Buildings that are used for entertainment and to produce millions of tonnes of Electronic Equipment that provides entertainment.

Millions of people are working for "Military Industrial Complex" producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world...... Environment is destroyed when weapons are produced and when they are used.

Millions of City People are engaged in other unnecessary work that destroys even more environment.

Food, clothing and shelter......these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans.

A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.

We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.


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Post by Raa » Mon May 07, 2012 9:27 am

Yes.
There's the crazy dominion in this world, it doesn't come from collective surrendering such as assuming a collective identity like Mexicans or Americans, it comes from individual surrendering by seperating yourself from any kind of person you see in your daily life. They've made us too many, divided us and conquered us. But I'm my own biggest enemy, same goes for everyone. Everyone in the world suffers and they run away from it with lots of different things, like being obsessed with getting rid of boredom instead of accepting it and listening to yourself as a virtue.
Then they spit on everyone elses' faces without even recognizing, because they run away from that RECOGNITION too! This is how you begin meditating. Common sense.

Some self-claimed special people wouldn't have any other choice than starting the biggest end-game war at the most unexpected time when everyone starts realizing something. Cause disinformation and garbage bits would slowly become inefficient after the internet's invention (actually the efficiency progressed since the beginning but internet was the most apparent jump, just saying).

It would filter out a lot of people though and they would be able to assume a theologically accomplished power and more domination over the whole world with the offer of better quality of life for most maybe?
Combined with the upcoming technologies, you would be able to enslave all of the newborns. It's a theological hijacking through politics and economic power of a few people, perhaps one individual or family, a small society. A chessboard.

That would be mordor. Some go to war with their pencils and keyboards, some go with AK-47s. In the end even the people here share the same crime of ignorance for not individually improving their spiritual progress and respecting the unconditional humility. Angels don't have bank accounts. Don't take it too serious, relax in your hammock while smoking w33d, everything is already discovered and perfected, we can be content with ourselves and attain an ultimate peace of our mind.

THAT - we need to encourage. Unconditional humility. You don't start doing it unless you think about it every moment of your life. They're a part of you, anything except you, everything that is you. Common sense. Easy to remember this, not so hard. Gotta think about the end point of past and the future. There's something more than that within the intentions. It's more than thoughts...

Same with the meaning of the saying: You are me. We've all been me the whole time :O
Just trolling. If you think so;

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